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		<title>By: mikelecky</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1524</link>
		<dc:creator>mikelecky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-story/#more-138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-st...&lt;/a&gt;  -  more robots with guns..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-story/#more-138"></a><a href="http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-st..">http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-st..</a>.  &#8211;  more robots with guns..</p>
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		<title>By: mikelecky</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1499</link>
		<dc:creator>mikelecky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-story/#more-138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-st...&lt;/a&gt;  -  more robots with guns..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-story/#more-138"></a><a href="http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-st..">http://www.atavist.net/2009/04/24/shoot-full-st..</a>.  &#8211;  more robots with guns..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading your commentary on the NATO bombing campaign and the Black Hawk Down incident as at best derisive and contemptuous, and at worst sympathetic to the targets, who, as noted, were engaged in mass slaughter of their own citizens.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The article also ignores the geopolitical reasons for using UAVs in Pakistan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And where is the morality or fairness in military actors cloaking themselves in civilian garb in 0rder to blow themselves up amidst crowds of civilians?  The majority of suicide bombings have each claimed more civilian deaths than any of the UAV strikes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m a liberal.  But I recognize that there are people that only understand violence.  I want those people killed, and I want it done with as few collateral deaths as possible, both within our military, as well as in the relevant civilian populations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m reading your commentary on the NATO bombing campaign and the Black Hawk Down incident as at best derisive and contemptuous, and at worst sympathetic to the targets, who, as noted, were engaged in mass slaughter of their own citizens.</p>
<p>The article also ignores the geopolitical reasons for using UAVs in Pakistan.</p>
<p>And where is the morality or fairness in military actors cloaking themselves in civilian garb in 0rder to blow themselves up amidst crowds of civilians?  The majority of suicide bombings have each claimed more civilian deaths than any of the UAV strikes.</p>
<p>I&#39;m a liberal.  But I recognize that there are people that only understand violence.  I want those people killed, and I want it done with as few collateral deaths as possible, both within our military, as well as in the relevant civilian populations.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recognize that UAVs are much cleaner and more efficient than standard brute force, but a recent study into the use of Predators in Iraq and Afghanistan found that for every target killed, there is an average of 10 civilian deaths. I&#039;ll try to find the citation, but I know it&#039;s mentioned towards the end of the first lecture on this page: &lt;a href=&quot;http://kennedy.byu.edu/archive/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://kennedy.byu.edu/archive/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognize that UAVs are much cleaner and more efficient than standard brute force, but a recent study into the use of Predators in Iraq and Afghanistan found that for every target killed, there is an average of 10 civilian deaths. I&#39;ll try to find the citation, but I know it&#39;s mentioned towards the end of the first lecture on this page: <a href="http://kennedy.byu.edu/archive/">http://kennedy.byu.edu/archive/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve read your comment carefully and read back over the post and I&#039;m having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say, or how it&#039;s related to the topic aside from being vaguely thematically linked.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Care to clarify?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>I&#39;ve read your comment carefully and read back over the post and I&#39;m having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say, or how it&#39;s related to the topic aside from being vaguely thematically linked.</p>
<p>Care to clarify?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel free to ignore the fact that the U.S. went to both Kosovo and Somalia to fight against military activities that are universally considered to be genocide.  In both cases, we did so because the relevant regional powers failed to do anything about the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to ignore the fact that the U.S. went to both Kosovo and Somalia to fight against military activities that are universally considered to be genocide.  In both cases, we did so because the relevant regional powers failed to do anything about the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: ‘Handcrafted kills’ &#171; Snarkmarket</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1472</link>
		<dc:creator>‘Handcrafted kills’ &#171; Snarkmarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post over at Quiet Baby­lon about snipers, drones, and “hand­crafted kills” is a bit unset­tling and more than a bit challenging—which I mean as a high [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post over at Quiet Baby­lon about snipers, drones, and “hand­crafted kills” is a bit unset­tling and more than a bit challenging—which I mean as a high [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1471</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand it too, which doesn&#039;t make it any less weird when I pay attention to the feeling and try to make it fit into a worldview that hangs together as a coherent ideal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By deciding that people who get carefully selected and killed at an opportune moment is murder but that people who can &quot;defend themselves&quot; (how does a squad with assault rifles defend against napalm?) you end up in a weird situation where killing the leaders is forbidden, even though they started the fucking conflict, while the poor saps drafted into war are fair game.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know how to untangle this problem. In a war, surgically removing only combatants and leadership and not dragging civilians into the death seems rational. But if you have the capability to be that selective about how you kill, then you have moved over to being judge, jury and executioner without due process. The people bombed for being Taliban leadership don&#039;t get trials.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But by that logic we&#039;ve prevented the military from acting at all. Meanwhile, the other guys are leaving booby traps on roads, and sending fools wearing explosives into markets. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, never apologize for quoting Terry Pratchett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand it too, which doesn&#39;t make it any less weird when I pay attention to the feeling and try to make it fit into a worldview that hangs together as a coherent ideal.</p>
<p>By deciding that people who get carefully selected and killed at an opportune moment is murder but that people who can &#8220;defend themselves&#8221; (how does a squad with assault rifles defend against napalm?) you end up in a weird situation where killing the leaders is forbidden, even though they started the fucking conflict, while the poor saps drafted into war are fair game.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know how to untangle this problem. In a war, surgically removing only combatants and leadership and not dragging civilians into the death seems rational. But if you have the capability to be that selective about how you kill, then you have moved over to being judge, jury and executioner without due process. The people bombed for being Taliban leadership don&#39;t get trials.</p>
<p>But by that logic we&#39;ve prevented the military from acting at all. Meanwhile, the other guys are leaving booby traps on roads, and sending fools wearing explosives into markets. </p>
<p>Anyway, never apologize for quoting Terry Pratchett.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Handcrafted kills&quot;! Poetic &amp; chilling. Counterintuitive. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Handcrafted kills&#8221;! Poetic &#038; chilling. Counterintuitive. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/killing-with-a-personal-touch/comment-page-1/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can kind of understand the revulsion of snipers etc. If it&#039;s massed bombers, tanks or 1000 guys charging you with fixed bayonets, these are enemies that you can see and hear coming. You are able to go out to meet them mentally and physically prepared. &lt;br&gt;To quote Terry Pratchett (sorry) &quot;If assassins didn&#039;t have rules, what could you do but lock yourself in a windowless room with a crossbow aimed at the door?&quot; &lt;br&gt;If the other guy doesn&#039;t have a chance to defend himself it feels way closer to murder.&lt;br&gt;Of course, thats only if you consider civilians the same as furniture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can kind of understand the revulsion of snipers etc. If it&#39;s massed bombers, tanks or 1000 guys charging you with fixed bayonets, these are enemies that you can see and hear coming. You are able to go out to meet them mentally and physically prepared. <br />To quote Terry Pratchett (sorry) &#8220;If assassins didn&#39;t have rules, what could you do but lock yourself in a windowless room with a crossbow aimed at the door?&#8221; <br />If the other guy doesn&#39;t have a chance to defend himself it feels way closer to murder.<br />Of course, thats only if you consider civilians the same as furniture.</p>
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