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		<title>By: Cyberjournalism &#124; The Internet Crashed</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1827</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyberjournalism &#124; The Internet Crashed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is not likely to be the case in the future of our world. A interesting article called Cells in the Panioptiswarm shows how journalism is changing in our world. The reality is that nearly everyone has a recording [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] this is not likely to be the case in the future of our world. A interesting article called Cells in the Panioptiswarm shows how journalism is changing in our world. The reality is that nearly everyone has a recording […]</p>
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		<title>By: P.O.S.Z.U. &#187; The Mob Within</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator>P.O.S.Z.U. &#187; The Mob Within</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 22:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tim Maly has speculated on a new future of crowd-sourced panopticons, and this would seem to be a case in point. Naturally, of course, following the random ethos of /b/, the mob decides, seemingly haphazardly, that certain targets are worth it, and others are not. They are far from staunch ideologists, the tag &#8220;justicefag&#8221; being applied derisively to those anonymous members who like calling out targets on moral grounds&#8211;the choice of slur not only signifying the inherent dissent of the chaos of /b/, but also refuting anyone who might think that they are left-leaning soldiers of equality. In fact, they&#8217;d probably attack you for saying so. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Tim Maly has speculated on a new future of crowd-sourced panopticons, and this would seem to be a case in point. Naturally, of course, following the random ethos of /b/, the mob decides, seemingly haphazardly, that certain targets are worth it, and others are not. They are far from staunch ideologists, the tag “justicefag” being applied derisively to those anonymous members who like calling out targets on moral grounds–the choice of slur not only signifying the inherent dissent of the chaos of /b/, but also refuting anyone who might think that they are left-leaning soldiers of equality. In fact, they’d probably attack you for saying so. […]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg J. Smith</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg J. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Watching the police is not illegal - thankfully that policy is not widespread (yet). While I can see that kind of law spreading, I do not anticipate surviving the scrutiny of attention a supreme court challenge would bring. I am also an optimist. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;@Tim&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a really exciting piece – great work! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding #10. While Jesse Rosenfeld&#039;s beating wasn&#039;t captured on camera he has certainly endeavoured to put himself on camera as much as possible since the summit. I know he pitched The Globe and Mail an article responding to this horrid piece against alternative media by banshee queen and police stenographer Christie Blatchford – I&#039;d like to see the Globe atone for her horrible coverage of activism/journalism during the summit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyways, bring on the distributed sensors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam</p>
<p>Watching the police is not illegal — thankfully that policy is not widespread (yet). While I can see that kind of law spreading, I do not anticipate surviving the scrutiny of attention a supreme court challenge would bring. I am also an optimist. </p>
<p>@Tim</p>
<p>This is a really exciting piece – great work! </p>
<p>Regarding #10. While Jesse Rosenfeld’s beating wasn’t captured on camera he has certainly endeavoured to put himself on camera as much as possible since the summit. I know he pitched The Globe and Mail an article responding to this horrid piece against alternative media by banshee queen and police stenographer Christie Blatchford – I’d like to see the Globe atone for her horrible coverage of activism/journalism during the summit.</p>
<p>Anyways, bring on the distributed sensors!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg J. Smith</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg J. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Watching the police is not illegal - thankfully that policy is not widespread (yet). While I can see that kind of law spreading, I do not anticipate surviving the scrutiny of  attention a supreme court challenge would bring. I am also an optimist. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;@Tim&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a really exciting piece – great work! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding #10. While Jesse Rosenfeld&#039;s beating wasn&#039;t captured on camera he has certainly endeavoured to put himself on camera as much as possible since the summit. I know he pitched &lt;em&gt;The Globe and Mail&lt;/em&gt; an article responding to this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/self-anointed-g20-journalists-should-get-real/article1627346/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;horrid piece&lt;/a&gt; against alternative media by banshee queen and police stenographer Christie Blatchford – I&#039;d like to see the &lt;em&gt;Globe&lt;/em&gt; atone for her horrible coverage of activism/journalism during the summit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyways, bring on the distributed sensors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam</p>
<p>Watching the police is not illegal — thankfully that policy is not widespread (yet). While I can see that kind of law spreading, I do not anticipate surviving the scrutiny of  attention a supreme court challenge would bring. I am also an optimist. </p>
<p>@Tim</p>
<p>This is a really exciting piece – great work! </p>
<p>Regarding #10. While Jesse Rosenfeld’s beating wasn’t captured on camera he has certainly endeavoured to put himself on camera as much as possible since the summit. I know he pitched <em>The Globe and Mail</em> an article responding to this <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/self-anointed-g20-journalists-should-get-real/article1627346/" rel="nofollow">horrid piece</a> against alternative media by banshee queen and police stenographer Christie Blatchford – I’d like to see the <em>Globe</em> atone for her horrible coverage of activism/journalism during the summit.</p>
<p>Anyways, bring on the distributed sensors!</p>
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		<title>By: With surplus comes expendability? When the publishing club expands » Nieman Journalism Lab</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator>With surplus comes expendability? When the publishing club expands » Nieman Journalism Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are complicated things. In a post dark with foreboding, Quiet Babylon&#8217;s Tim Maly quotes Ira Basen of the CBC&#8217;s Media Watch column on the effects of a surplus of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but remember, watching the police is illegal:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5965LB20091008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5965LB200...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If citizen surveillance is &quot;illegal use of a communications facility&quot;, then the law understand technology not as a two-edged tool, but a weapon. Without delving too deeply into the Foucault, I&#039;ll just say that in the knowledge infrastructure, power regimes have a lot of force to bend information to their will. This is disturbingly anti-democratic, because it means that if a picture is evidence, and the police by default aren&#039;t the criminals, then a lot of people in the streets are going to be wearing masks. The panopticon may look everywhere, but who is it looking for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but remember, watching the police is illegal:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5965LB20091008" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5965LB200…</a></p>
<p>If citizen surveillance is “illegal use of a communications facility”, then the law understand technology not as a two-edged tool, but a weapon. Without delving too deeply into the Foucault, I’ll just say that in the knowledge infrastructure, power regimes have a lot of force to bend information to their will. This is disturbingly anti-democratic, because it means that if a picture is evidence, and the police by default aren’t the criminals, then a lot of people in the streets are going to be wearing masks. The panopticon may look everywhere, but who is it looking for?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the crowd-source hardware already exists, and what doesn&#039;t exist is the knowledge infrastructure and the strategy to use it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The media&#039;s knowledge infrastructure, as Tim&#039;s pointed out, was that they had the cameras, they were on the ground, and they could get the images to the people. This informed a certain strategy, of &quot;privileged witness&quot;. But also another strategy, of &quot;right place, right time.&quot; I think it&#039;s amazing that if you look at the era-making news photographs, the photographers will always say that the action happened, they just happened to be standing in a place where they could click the shutter. This leads me to think that there are any number of photographs that haven&#039;t been captured, because there wasn&#039;t anyone standing there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can&#039;t out camera-phone a camera-phone, so now anybody can be a &quot;privileged witness&quot;, in &quot;the right place at the right time&quot;. And so the privilege is gone. This means there are a lot more people standing around waiting to click the shutter, and yet we&#039;re still missing &quot;important photos&quot;. So, the field is flooded, everyone&#039;s a camera, and we&#039;re still not seeing what needs to be seen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Ubiquity&quot; is the word on everyone&#039;s lips, because it sounds a lot like &quot;mass movement&quot;, and it also represents the new technology. But what does ubiquity really get us?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, it would be a huge can of worms to open the question of &quot;what are we trying to do with the images&quot; here. The easy answer something along the lines of &quot;witnesses mean better behavior&quot;. I don&#039;t personally think that is true. But even if it was true in principle, ubiquitous surveillance doesn&#039;t stop crime. Crimes will be missed, there will be gaps, and eventually you end up with so many video feeds, no one can observe them all. And from the perspective of the street, cops just don&#039;t care. Has any cop been named, or disciplined at all, regardless of the images captured?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my experience, what people in the streets need is knowledge. Not raw data, but an infrastructure of knowledge. This could take the form of orders (&quot;Go here&quot;) or status report (&quot;Adam is at X and Y&quot;). But at a protest, there&#039;s no time to sift information, study it, and decide on a course of action. The strategy is what needs to be ubiquitous, and the knowledge infrastructure needs to be directed. A lot less &quot;mass&quot;, a lot more &quot;movement&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the crowd-source hardware already exists, and what doesn’t exist is the knowledge infrastructure and the strategy to use it.</p>
<p>The media’s knowledge infrastructure, as Tim’s pointed out, was that they had the cameras, they were on the ground, and they could get the images to the people. This informed a certain strategy, of “privileged witness”. But also another strategy, of “right place, right time.” I think it’s amazing that if you look at the era-making news photographs, the photographers will always say that the action happened, they just happened to be standing in a place where they could click the shutter. This leads me to think that there are any number of photographs that haven’t been captured, because there wasn’t anyone standing there.</p>
<p>You can’t out camera-phone a camera-phone, so now anybody can be a “privileged witness”, in “the right place at the right time”. And so the privilege is gone. This means there are a lot more people standing around waiting to click the shutter, and yet we’re still missing “important photos”. So, the field is flooded, everyone’s a camera, and we’re still not seeing what needs to be seen.</p>
<p>“Ubiquity” is the word on everyone’s lips, because it sounds a lot like “mass movement”, and it also represents the new technology. But what does ubiquity really get us?</p>
<p>Now, it would be a huge can of worms to open the question of “what are we trying to do with the images” here. The easy answer something along the lines of “witnesses mean better behavior”. I don’t personally think that is true. But even if it was true in principle, ubiquitous surveillance doesn’t stop crime. Crimes will be missed, there will be gaps, and eventually you end up with so many video feeds, no one can observe them all. And from the perspective of the street, cops just don’t care. Has any cop been named, or disciplined at all, regardless of the images captured?</p>
<p>In my experience, what people in the streets need is knowledge. Not raw data, but an infrastructure of knowledge. This could take the form of orders (“Go here”) or status report (“Adam is at X and Y”). But at a protest, there’s no time to sift information, study it, and decide on a course of action. The strategy is what needs to be ubiquitous, and the knowledge infrastructure needs to be directed. A lot less “mass”, a lot more “movement”.</p>
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		<title>By: Ella</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator>Ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, if you&#039;re interested, the talk slides from SIGINT are up here, and more information will be coming soon: &lt;a href=&quot;http://sldrc.com/projects/deployable&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sldrc.com/projects/deployable&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, if you’re interested, the talk slides from SIGINT are up here, and more information will be coming soon: <a href="http://sldrc.com/projects/deployable" rel="nofollow">http://sldrc.com/projects/deployable</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: LindsayDianne</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1618</link>
		<dc:creator>LindsayDianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above comment is exactly right. Excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comment is exactly right. Excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ella</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2010/cells-in-the-panoptiswarm/comment-page-1/#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>Ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working on a competition for crowdsourced open hardware intended to be deployed as a citizen-run surveillance solution to watch the police at large scale demonstrations; I talked about it at SIGINT and will be talking about it again at HOPE this weekend.  I&#039;ve been thinking about what I&#039;m going to say about Toronto, and this was a timely and well thought-out bit of work.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m working on a competition for crowdsourced open hardware intended to be deployed as a citizen-run surveillance solution to watch the police at large scale demonstrations; I talked about it at SIGINT and will be talking about it again at HOPE this weekend.  I’ve been thinking about what I’m going to say about Toronto, and this was a timely and well thought-out bit of work.  Thank you!</p>
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