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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/how-deep-do-cities-go/comment-page-1/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important illustration of why everyone should carry a small flashlight at all times! That sounds like a really cool environment. How big was that area that you were able to explore? Just the one room?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important illustration of why everyone should carry a small flashlight at all times! That sounds like a really cool environment. How big was that area that you were able to explore? Just the one room?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/how-deep-do-cities-go/comment-page-1/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important illustration of wy everyone should carry a small flashlight at all times!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important illustration of wy everyone should carry a small flashlight at all times!</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/how-deep-do-cities-go/comment-page-1/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was walking through an old parking lot the other day, one that nobody uses, and I saw a hole in the ground about three feet deep, covered by two large concrete slabs, put there as if to prevent people from falling in. After looking into the hole, I noticed the side branched off into a much larger area. I mentioned this to my friend offhandedly, and we went in to explore.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Turns out the parking lot was actually the ground level of a building that stood there a while ago. The hole led down into a room, where the doors and stairwells had been collapsed inward intentionally to prevent people from exploring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was walking through an old parking lot the other day, one that nobody uses, and I saw a hole in the ground about three feet deep, covered by two large concrete slabs, put there as if to prevent people from falling in. After looking into the hole, I noticed the side branched off into a much larger area. I mentioned this to my friend offhandedly, and we went in to explore.</p>
<p>Turns out the parking lot was actually the ground level of a building that stood there a while ago. The hole led down into a room, where the doors and stairwells had been collapsed inward intentionally to prevent people from exploring.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/how-deep-do-cities-go/comment-page-1/#comment-1212</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I ever get to Paris, I will be desperately trying to take a tour of the catacombs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Add to your list:&lt;br&gt;Moscow&#039;s possibly mythical Metro-2.&lt;br&gt;Seattle&#039;s definitely real underground streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I ever get to Paris, I will be desperately trying to take a tour of the catacombs.</p>
<p>Add to your list:<br />Moscow&#39;s possibly mythical Metro-2.<br />Seattle&#39;s definitely real underground streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Tami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t live in Paris, but I have heard there are 4 levels that are known of...nobody has really been able to say just how far or deep they go, or map the tunnels out exactly. It has been attempted, with sonar, but I don&#039;t think that a complete map was ever made. Given the size of the area, and the difficulty of finding people lost down there, I can see why most of the entrances to the tunnels have been sealed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are caves under Sydney Harbour as well. Access to most is blocked, but they do exist, and they are apparently quite fun to explore. There&#039;s a few cave networks in Australia, but most of the ones I know of aren&#039;t under any cities and have been fairly well-explored.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And think of what the London Underground will look like in a few centuries (if it is ever abandoned). I would love to explore it then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t live in Paris, but I have heard there are 4 levels that are known of&#8230;nobody has really been able to say just how far or deep they go, or map the tunnels out exactly. It has been attempted, with sonar, but I don&#39;t think that a complete map was ever made. Given the size of the area, and the difficulty of finding people lost down there, I can see why most of the entrances to the tunnels have been sealed.</p>
<p>There are caves under Sydney Harbour as well. Access to most is blocked, but they do exist, and they are apparently quite fun to explore. There&#39;s a few cave networks in Australia, but most of the ones I know of aren&#39;t under any cities and have been fairly well-explored.</p>
<p>And think of what the London Underground will look like in a few centuries (if it is ever abandoned). I would love to explore it then.</p>
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		<title>By: gypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neverwhere, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neverwhere, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: chebucto</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/how-deep-do-cities-go/comment-page-1/#comment-1203</link>
		<dc:creator>chebucto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sea-level is a simply reference altitude; measured by this, Qanats are above cities, because water flows downhill. Think of water tanks in small towns - the tanks must be above the altitude of the highest house they serve, or water will not flow from the tank to the house. Qanats rely on gravity, too, so they must be above the cities they serve (using nearby hills or long tunnels to ensure the necessary delta-altitude.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;NB, too, that city infrastructure is not necessarily below sea-level; this is especially true for inland cities. Think of Denver, or Kathmandu - they are 1000s of m above sea-level, just like their infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sea-level is a simply reference altitude; measured by this, Qanats are above cities, because water flows downhill. Think of water tanks in small towns &#8211; the tanks must be above the altitude of the highest house they serve, or water will not flow from the tank to the house. Qanats rely on gravity, too, so they must be above the cities they serve (using nearby hills or long tunnels to ensure the necessary delta-altitude.)</p>
<p>NB, too, that city infrastructure is not necessarily below sea-level; this is especially true for inland cities. Think of Denver, or Kathmandu &#8211; they are 1000s of m above sea-level, just like their infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just about all the underground infrastructure will be below sea-level, no? The few places where it isn&#039;t means constant pumping. So I&#039;m not sure if that disqualifies the qanats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just about all the underground infrastructure will be below sea-level, no? The few places where it isn&#39;t means constant pumping. So I&#39;m not sure if that disqualifies the qanats.</p>
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		<title>By: chebucto</title>
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		<dc:creator>chebucto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know if the mine is used for anything at all these days?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I heard they&#039;re re-opening parts of it; the recent high gold prices have made it economic again. What&#039;s neat about the new works is that they&#039;re putting a significant part of the processing plant underground, too, within the mine (the surface above the mine being taken up by city).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know if the mine is used for anything at all these days?</p>
<p>I heard they&#39;re re-opening parts of it; the recent high gold prices have made it economic again. What&#39;s neat about the new works is that they&#39;re putting a significant part of the processing plant underground, too, within the mine (the surface above the mine being taken up by city).</p>
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		<title>By: chebucto</title>
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		<dc:creator>chebucto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IAMAHE , but reading the WIki article it looks like Qanats feed water via gravity. So, measured by sea-level, they are above the city.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The St. Petersburg subway system is one of the deepest in the world; wikipedia puts its deepest station at 105m below surface, though apparently the Pyongyang system in North Korea has track that is 110m deep.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps the most impressive deep city infrastructure is the new New York water tunnel (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/mocryn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/mocryn&lt;/a&gt;) - up to 240m underground with a 7m diameter. Construction began in the 1970s, and will finish in the 2020s. Yikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IAMAHE , but reading the WIki article it looks like Qanats feed water via gravity. So, measured by sea-level, they are above the city.</p>
<p>The St. Petersburg subway system is one of the deepest in the world; wikipedia puts its deepest station at 105m below surface, though apparently the Pyongyang system in North Korea has track that is 110m deep.</p>
<p>Perhaps the most impressive deep city infrastructure is the new New York water tunnel (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/mocryn">http://tinyurl.com/mocryn</a>) &#8211; up to 240m underground with a 7m diameter. Construction began in the 1970s, and will finish in the 2020s. Yikes!</p>
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