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		<title>By: fifty posts about cyborgs &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>fifty posts about cyborgs &#8211; mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A publishing house is a fragile organism &#171; Justin Pickard</title>
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		<dc:creator>A publishing house is a fragile organism &#171; Justin Pickard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] textual cyborgs, the speculative field of reader-book interaction, and how this could relate to Tim&#8217;s excellent post on cyborg infrastructure. Here, the above quote from Calvino definitely resonates, but I&#8217;m still not sure what it all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/cyborgs-and-architects-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1364</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this a lot too. I have some rough notes for talking about Bruce Sterling&#039;s description of living, what he calls, &quot;glocally&quot;. It&#039;s a very nomadic lifestyle and he describes with some glee how stressful it is, not on him but on the Westphalian nation-state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your  EDIT raises a point that I hadn&#039;t thought about at all: is there a need by the architect for the cyborg in this division? I don&#039;t know, but you can bet that I&#039;m going to spend a bunch of time thinking about it. I feel like there might be a way that it&#039;s needed. still not sure how.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve got this sheet of notes and in big letters in one place it says &quot;Infrastructure is POWER crystallized&quot; and then there&#039;s some other stuff about being able to say &quot;we were here&quot; and &quot;we intend to be here for awhile&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been thinking about this a lot too. I have some rough notes for talking about Bruce Sterling’s description of living, what he calls, “glocally”. It’s a very nomadic lifestyle and he describes with some glee how stressful it is, not on him but on the Westphalian nation-state.</p>
<p>Your  EDIT raises a point that I hadn’t thought about at all: is there a need by the architect for the cyborg in this division? I don’t know, but you can bet that I’m going to spend a bunch of time thinking about it. I feel like there might be a way that it’s needed. still not sure how.</p>
<p>I’ve got this sheet of notes and in big letters in one place it says “Infrastructure is POWER crystallized” and then there’s some other stuff about being able to say “we were here” and “we intend to be here for awhile”.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/cyborgs-and-architects-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1211</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this a lot too. I have some rough notes for talking about Bruce Sterling&#039;s description of living, what he calls, &quot;glocally&quot;. It&#039;s a very nomadic lifestyle and he describes with some glee how stressful it is, not on him but on the Westphalian nation-state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your  EDIT raises a point that I hadn&#039;t thought about at all: is there a need by the architect for the cyborg in this division? I don&#039;t know, but you can bet that I&#039;m going to spend a bunch of time thinking about it. I feel like there might be a way that it&#039;s needed. still not sure how.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve got this sheet of notes and in big letters in one place it says &quot;Infrastructure is POWER crystallized&quot; and then there&#039;s some other stuff about being able to say &quot;we were here&quot; and &quot;we intend to be here for awhile&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been thinking about this a lot too. I have some rough notes for talking about Bruce Sterling’s description of living, what he calls, “glocally”. It’s a very nomadic lifestyle and he describes with some glee how stressful it is, not on him but on the Westphalian nation-state.</p>
<p>Your  EDIT raises a point that I hadn’t thought about at all: is there a need by the architect for the cyborg in this division? I don’t know, but you can bet that I’m going to spend a bunch of time thinking about it. I feel like there might be a way that it’s needed. still not sure how.</p>
<p>I’ve got this sheet of notes and in big letters in one place it says “Infrastructure is POWER crystallized” and then there’s some other stuff about being able to say “we were here” and “we intend to be here for awhile”.</p>
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		<title>By: jwinzey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwinzey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brought to mind issues I&#039;ve always had with the &quot;hippy&quot; scavenger/squatter mentality.  I hear these people talk about the downfalls of modern society, and they berate the &quot;man&quot; for his structure and his rules... and then they subsist off the waste products FROM the society that they so loudly preach against.&lt;br&gt;You couldn&#039;t eat that Big Mac out of the garbage if someone who worked for a living hadn&#039;t paid for it in the first place.  You couldn&#039;t squat in that abandoned building if no one had built then abandoned it.&lt;br&gt;I guess my biggest issues are-&lt;br&gt;1. That seems like a crappy way to live.&lt;br&gt;2. Maybe stop spitting on the people who are feeding and housing you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brought to mind issues I’ve always had with the “hippy” scavenger/squatter mentality.  I hear these people talk about the downfalls of modern society, and they berate the “man” for his structure and his rules… and then they subsist off the waste products FROM the society that they so loudly preach against.<br />You couldn’t eat that Big Mac out of the garbage if someone who worked for a living hadn’t paid for it in the first place.  You couldn’t squat in that abandoned building if no one had built then abandoned it.<br />I guess my biggest issues are–<br />1. That seems like a crappy way to live.<br />2. Maybe stop spitting on the people who are feeding and housing you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/cyborgs-and-architects-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1191</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term cyborg was coined in 1960 in a paper by Kline and Clynes when they were discussing adapting humans for space. You can read the paper &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.scribd.com/doc/2962194/Cyborgs-and-Space-Clynes-Kline?autodown=pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cyborgs and Space&lt;/a&gt; on scrbd. (It&#039;s really interesting!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are very clear in the paper that they are not just talking about implanting things in people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; In the past evolution brought about the altering of bodily functions to suit different environments. Starting as of now, it will be possible to achieve this to some degree &lt;br&gt;without alteration of heredity by suitable biochemical, physiological, and electronic modifications of man&#039;s existing modus vivendi.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their primary interest was in making self-regulating (i.e. not requiring conscious acts on the part of the cyborg to maintain homestasis) manmachine systems. An exoskeleton that is controlled as naturally as moving but which offers considerable strength is a tool yes, but it&#039;s also a cybernetic device. The users wears it and BECOMES stronger, without thinking about it. The body-type relationship that you want is there. Ditto, I think, for glasses. You put them on, they correct your vision and then most of the time you forget about them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the paper, they actually (and this is sort of awesome) go on to talk about Yoga and Hypnosis as control systems that can impact the functioning of an organism. They discuss using drugs (automatically administered) to keep pilots awake for longer, protect from radiation, and to induce hypothermia and hibernation at appropriate times during a mission.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed, aside from brief references to electrical physiological solutions,  it&#039;s pretty much 4 pages of &quot;ways we can use pharmacological tech to adapt people to space&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the 80s the cultural emphasis turned to hardware adaptations - installed artificial limbs and implants and endoskeletons and the like, but the origins of the term are still there and still meaningful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The cyborgs of the near future will very likely not have mechanical parts at all. It&#039;ll be nano and bio and&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term cyborg was coined in 1960 in a paper by Kline and Clynes when they were discussing adapting humans for space. You can read the paper <a href=&#39;<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/2962194/Cyborgs-and-Space-Clynes-Kline?autodown=pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/2962194/Cyborgs-and-Space-Clynes-Kline?autodown=pdf</a>” rel=“nofollow”&gt;Cyborgs and Space on scrbd. (It’s really interesting!)</p>
<p>They are very clear in the paper that they are not just talking about implanting things in people.</p>
<blockquote><p> In the past evolution brought about the altering of bodily functions to suit different environments. Starting as of now, it will be possible to achieve this to some degree <br />without alteration of heredity by suitable biochemical, physiological, and electronic modifications of man’s existing modus vivendi.</p>
<p>Their primary interest was in making self-regulating (i.e. not requiring conscious acts on the part of the cyborg to maintain homestasis) manmachine systems. An exoskeleton that is controlled as naturally as moving but which offers considerable strength is a tool yes, but it’s also a cybernetic device. The users wears it and BECOMES stronger, without thinking about it. The body-type relationship that you want is there. Ditto, I think, for glasses. You put them on, they correct your vision and then most of the time you forget about them.</p>
<p>In the paper, they actually (and this is sort of awesome) go on to talk about Yoga and Hypnosis as control systems that can impact the functioning of an organism. They discuss using drugs (automatically administered) to keep pilots awake for longer, protect from radiation, and to induce hypothermia and hibernation at appropriate times during a mission.</p>
<p>Indeed, aside from brief references to electrical physiological solutions,  it’s pretty much 4 pages of “ways we can use pharmacological tech to adapt people to space”.</p>
<p>In the 80s the cultural emphasis turned to hardware adaptations — installed artificial limbs and implants and endoskeletons and the like, but the origins of the term are still there and still meaningful.</p>
<p>The cyborgs of the near future will very likely not have mechanical parts at all. It’ll be nano and bio and</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pharmaceuticals are sort of a non-starter because they are not importantly different from food. So if you start saying that we&#039;re cyborgs because of ritalin you are sort of forced to go back to other advances in cybernetics such as readily available protein. The same thing happens when you argue that a pacemaker or a replacement hip are cybernetic, if a pedical screw, why not a back brace, if that why not a cane. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that this is not a case of a fuzzy distinction between cyborg and tool user, but rather that all these cases are just examples of tool using, ditto eye glasses. Ditto Ironman. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is a really clear division between cyborg and machine user. A cyborg would be someone who had a body type relationship to a synthetic product. I think this would have to include propriocetpion and inclusion of the thingy into the body schema. Whether that has or hasn&#039;t happened in a particular case is an empirical question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pharmaceuticals are sort of a non-starter because they are not importantly different from food. So if you start saying that we’re cyborgs because of ritalin you are sort of forced to go back to other advances in cybernetics such as readily available protein. The same thing happens when you argue that a pacemaker or a replacement hip are cybernetic, if a pedical screw, why not a back brace, if that why not a cane. </p>
<p>I think that this is not a case of a fuzzy distinction between cyborg and tool user, but rather that all these cases are just examples of tool using, ditto eye glasses. Ditto Ironman. </p>
<p>There is a really clear division between cyborg and machine user. A cyborg would be someone who had a body type relationship to a synthetic product. I think this would have to include propriocetpion and inclusion of the thingy into the body schema. Whether that has or hasn’t happened in a particular case is an empirical question.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it&#039;s a family resemblance thing, with degrees of closeness.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are glasses crude cybernetics? What about contact lenses? What about eye implants? What about eyes rebuilt through laser surgery? What about contact lenses that project a HUD of data to the user? What about night-vision goggles? What about night-vision eyes?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When NASA was looking into their cybernetics programs, a huge amount of the work they were doing we wouldn&#039;t recognize as cybernetics in the modern chrome sense of the idea. They spent a lot of time looking at pharmaceutical interventions as ways of enhancing the human machine. Performance enhancing drugs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does this make women who use the pill cyborgs? What about IUDs? (Actually there&#039;s a tonne of crazy writing about cybernetics and reproduction by feminist thinkers, lots of interesting stuff).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m definitely pushing the edge of the category when I look at the various U.S. Army tools and tech. But at some point along the line between // Guy with Gun / Body Armour / Powered Exoskeleton / Iron Man circa 1960 / Iron Man Extremis version / The Terminator // people turn into cyborgs. it&#039;s not at all clear to me when that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it’s a family resemblance thing, with degrees of closeness.</p>
<p>Are glasses crude cybernetics? What about contact lenses? What about eye implants? What about eyes rebuilt through laser surgery? What about contact lenses that project a HUD of data to the user? What about night-vision goggles? What about night-vision eyes?</p>
<p>When NASA was looking into their cybernetics programs, a huge amount of the work they were doing we wouldn’t recognize as cybernetics in the modern chrome sense of the idea. They spent a lot of time looking at pharmaceutical interventions as ways of enhancing the human machine. Performance enhancing drugs.</p>
<p>Does this make women who use the pill cyborgs? What about IUDs? (Actually there’s a tonne of crazy writing about cybernetics and reproduction by feminist thinkers, lots of interesting stuff).</p>
<p>I’m definitely pushing the edge of the category when I look at the various U.S. Army tools and tech. But at some point along the line between // Guy with Gun / Body Armour / Powered Exoskeleton / Iron Man circa 1960 / Iron Man Extremis version / The Terminator // people turn into cyborgs. it’s not at all clear to me when that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it seems like &quot;cyborg&quot; implies that somehow a machine is a part of your body, i.e. that you have the same time of awareness of the machine as you do of your own body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it seems like “cyborg” implies that somehow a machine is a part of your body, i.e. that you have the same time of awareness of the machine as you do of your own body.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What distinction do you think I&#039;m missing?</description>
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