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		<title>By: autodidact</title>
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		<dc:creator>autodidact</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in love with your brain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These posts are my favorite kind of futurist thinking, not &quot;gee-golly we&#039;ll have flying cars&quot; but &quot;man, flying cars would cause so many traffic engineering headaches.&quot;  Do you by chance write science fiction?  You have that gift, I think, of looking at a trend and fearlessly extrapolating all the way down the line what it would mean, and then standing at the end of that line and asking, &quot;and what would that mean to people?&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think, rather than asking, &quot;What will ours say?&quot;, we should be considering &quot;What should ours say?&quot;  All your scenarios here gave me little dread-tinglies down my spine.  I don&#039;t want this future.  But it&#039;s extremely plausible, of course, it&#039;s almost certainly coming and I don&#039;t see a way to stop it.   If these technologies grow riotously, with no thoughtful regulation or control, they will smother us.  But if we start thinking in terms of &quot;should&quot; and &quot;ought&quot;, maybe we could prune these ideas like bonsai into shapes more pleasing to us.  Maybe politicians and teachers and police want to soothe and control &quot;the masses&quot; - but I bet they themselves don&#039;t want to be soothed and controlled.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Digression: I remember reading about libertarianism one time, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;shortest political quiz&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.  One of the possible outcomes on the quiz is &quot;Statist&quot;, which essentially indicates you think personal liberty is impractical or unwise, that people simply can&#039;t be allowed to choose for themselves because they will never choose the &quot;greater good&quot;.  But the longer explanation used to say that many people who favor Statism are caretakers like police, nurses, and teachers, who spend their lives helping and making decisions for people who really can&#039;t take care of themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, what is, is... and by extension, what must be, will be. Always better to go in with your eyes open.   Have you read anything at &lt;a href=&quot;http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Design with Intent&lt;/a&gt;?  It seems relevant to your interests.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/rambling&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in love with your brain.</p>
<p>These posts are my favorite kind of futurist thinking, not “gee-golly we’ll have flying cars” but “man, flying cars would cause so many traffic engineering headaches.”  Do you by chance write science fiction?  You have that gift, I think, of looking at a trend and fearlessly extrapolating all the way down the line what it would mean, and then standing at the end of that line and asking, “and what would that mean to people?”  </p>
<p>I think, rather than asking, “What will ours say?”, we should be considering “What should ours say?”  All your scenarios here gave me little dread-tinglies down my spine.  I don’t want this future.  But it’s extremely plausible, of course, it’s almost certainly coming and I don’t see a way to stop it.   If these technologies grow riotously, with no thoughtful regulation or control, they will smother us.  But if we start thinking in terms of “should” and “ought”, maybe we could prune these ideas like bonsai into shapes more pleasing to us.  Maybe politicians and teachers and police want to soothe and control “the masses” — but I bet they themselves don’t want to be soothed and controlled.  </p>
<p>Digression: I remember reading about libertarianism one time, and the <a href="http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html" rel="nofollow">“shortest political quiz”</a>.  One of the possible outcomes on the quiz is “Statist”, which essentially indicates you think personal liberty is impractical or unwise, that people simply can’t be allowed to choose for themselves because they will never choose the “greater good”.  But the longer explanation used to say that many people who favor Statism are caretakers like police, nurses, and teachers, who spend their lives helping and making decisions for people who really can’t take care of themselves.</p>
<p>Well, what is, is… and by extension, what must be, will be. Always better to go in with your eyes open.   Have you read anything at <a href="http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Design with Intent</a>?  It seems relevant to your interests.</p>
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		<title>By: autodidact</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/buildings-that-protest-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>autodidact</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in love with your brain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These posts are my favorite kind of futurist thinking, not &quot;gee-golly we&#039;ll have flying cars&quot; but &quot;man, flying cars would cause so many traffic engineering headaches.&quot;  Do you by chance write science fiction?  You have that gift, I think, of looking at a trend and fearlessly extrapolating all the way down the line what it would mean, and then standing at the end of that line and asking, &quot;and what would that mean to people?&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think, rather than asking, &quot;What will ours say?&quot;, we should be considering &quot;What should ours say?&quot;  All your scenarios here gave me little dread-tinglies down my spine.  I don&#039;t want this future.  But it&#039;s extremely plausible, of course, it&#039;s almost certainly coming and I don&#039;t see a way to stop it.   If these technologies grow riotously, with no thoughtful regulation or control, they will smother us.  But if we start thinking in terms of &quot;should&quot; and &quot;ought&quot;, maybe we could prune these ideas like bonsai into shapes more pleasing to us.  Maybe politicians and teachers and police want to soothe and control &quot;the masses&quot; - but I bet they themselves don&#039;t want to be soothed and controlled.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Digression: I remember reading about libertarianism one time, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;shortest political quiz&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.  One of the possible outcomes on the quiz is &quot;Statist&quot;, which essentially indicates you think personal liberty is impractical or unwise, that people simply can&#039;t be allowed to choose for themselves because they will never choose the &quot;greater good&quot;.  But the longer explanation used to say that many people who favor Statism are caretakers like police, nurses, and teachers, who spend their lives helping and making decisions for people who really can&#039;t take care of themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, what is, is... and by extension, what must be, will be. Always better to go in with your eyes open.   Have you read anything at &lt;a href=&quot;http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Design with Intent&lt;/a&gt;?  It seems relevant to your interests.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/rambling&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in love with your brain.</p>
<p>These posts are my favorite kind of futurist thinking, not “gee-golly we’ll have flying cars” but “man, flying cars would cause so many traffic engineering headaches.”  Do you by chance write science fiction?  You have that gift, I think, of looking at a trend and fearlessly extrapolating all the way down the line what it would mean, and then standing at the end of that line and asking, “and what would that mean to people?”  </p>
<p>I think, rather than asking, “What will ours say?”, we should be considering “What should ours say?”  All your scenarios here gave me little dread-tinglies down my spine.  I don’t want this future.  But it’s extremely plausible, of course, it’s almost certainly coming and I don’t see a way to stop it.   If these technologies grow riotously, with no thoughtful regulation or control, they will smother us.  But if we start thinking in terms of “should” and “ought”, maybe we could prune these ideas like bonsai into shapes more pleasing to us.  Maybe politicians and teachers and police want to soothe and control “the masses” — but I bet they themselves don’t want to be soothed and controlled.  </p>
<p>Digression: I remember reading about libertarianism one time, and the <a href="http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html" rel="nofollow">“shortest political quiz”</a>.  One of the possible outcomes on the quiz is “Statist”, which essentially indicates you think personal liberty is impractical or unwise, that people simply can’t be allowed to choose for themselves because they will never choose the “greater good”.  But the longer explanation used to say that many people who favor Statism are caretakers like police, nurses, and teachers, who spend their lives helping and making decisions for people who really can’t take care of themselves.</p>
<p>Well, what is, is… and by extension, what must be, will be. Always better to go in with your eyes open.   Have you read anything at <a href="http://architectures.danlockton.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Design with Intent</a>?  It seems relevant to your interests.</p>
<p>&lt;/rambling&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2009/buildings-that-protest-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an enormous and possibly intractable problem. I&#039;m reminded of the Unabomber&#039;s complaint that even in his shack, as far from humans as he could get, there were contrails of jetliners visible in the sky. The technical regimes tend to be very encompassing and difficult (or impossible) to reject or avoid.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the big things that we face in the new world of privacy is that stuff that has always been theoretically possible but very very hard (as you say, we have always been subject to recoding in public, but if someone wanted to follow me, they had to invest significant time and labour) has become routine, mechanized and post-industrially ubiquitous.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The EFF&#039;s brief on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eff.org/wp/locational-privacy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;locational privacy&lt;/a&gt; offers a really good primer to why we ought to be wary, if not outright terrified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s an enormous and possibly intractable problem. I’m reminded of the Unabomber’s complaint that even in his shack, as far from humans as he could get, there were contrails of jetliners visible in the sky. The technical regimes tend to be very encompassing and difficult (or impossible) to reject or avoid.</p>
<p>One of the big things that we face in the new world of privacy is that stuff that has always been theoretically possible but very very hard (as you say, we have always been subject to recoding in public, but if someone wanted to follow me, they had to invest significant time and labour) has become routine, mechanized and post-industrially ubiquitous.</p>
<p>The EFF’s brief on <a href="http://www.eff.org/wp/locational-privacy" rel="nofollow">locational privacy</a> offers a really good primer to why we ought to be wary, if not outright terrified.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Archer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimers Disclaimer: The disclaimer isn&#039;t directed at you, sir.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Really, this is only necessary if someone stubborn and annoying stumbles this way and thinks I am game for a battle of wits.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just like discussing architecture and futurism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I really enjoy your blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimers Disclaimer: The disclaimer isn’t directed at you, sir.</p>
<p>Really, this is only necessary if someone stubborn and annoying stumbles this way and thinks I am game for a battle of wits.</p>
<p>I’m not. </p>
<p>I just like discussing architecture and futurism.</p>
<p>And I really enjoy your blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Archer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are privacy issues abounds in  &#039;public buildings that protest&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that the majority people will ultimately consent to such interactive infrastructure, but also that a small minority will refuse it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most will consent to their personal data being mined in public spaces, used by government organizations and private corporations under the guise that it is necessary to improve the life of the individual.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And it will improve our lives in measurable (and immeasurable) ways, we wouldn&#039;t put up with it otherwise. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like the internet, anything you do in a public space will instantly become a matter of public record. It will take some adjusting to, but people, especially those of us who grew up alongside the internet, will adapt to the new technologies relatively quickly. Soon, we will be adept at discerning when were are in a private &#039;secure&#039; setting and when we are in a public &#039;unsecure&#039; setting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those who don&#039;t want to be open to such interactions will lose out on all of the benefits that a two way relationship with the built environment offers. It will be a choice, though, even if it means illegally blocking yourself from the infrastructure &#039;sensors&#039;, or establishing interactive-architecture-free zones,  or escaping from urban areas entirely.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Really: If you do something in a public space it is recordable. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Already, Today. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if it is in the subconscious memory of a passerby, even if it is only recognizable by a Sherlockian expert, if it is perceivable and public then it is open to collection, analysis and scrutiny.  If forensics shows have taught me anything it is that we already leave a record of ourselves and our actions in the realm of the real. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s only a matter of time before we develop software and hardware capable of collecting this information, and once incorporated into our public architecture these (probably highly regulated) technologies will enable our buildings to protect us, serve us, guide us and nurture us. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lets just hope these powerful technologies aren&#039;t severely abused (they will be).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Disclaimer: I am not a person of strong conviction. I rarely pick one side because it is what I firmly believe, really, I see the merits in all sides of a rational argument. I&#039;m merely here to converse, not to debate to the bitter death...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are privacy issues abounds in  ‘public buildings that protest’.</p>
<p>I think that the majority people will ultimately consent to such interactive infrastructure, but also that a small minority will refuse it.</p>
<p>Most will consent to their personal data being mined in public spaces, used by government organizations and private corporations under the guise that it is necessary to improve the life of the individual.</p>
<p>And it will improve our lives in measurable (and immeasurable) ways, we wouldn’t put up with it otherwise. </p>
<p>Like the internet, anything you do in a public space will instantly become a matter of public record. It will take some adjusting to, but people, especially those of us who grew up alongside the internet, will adapt to the new technologies relatively quickly. Soon, we will be adept at discerning when were are in a private ‘secure’ setting and when we are in a public ‘unsecure’ setting.</p>
<p>Those who don’t want to be open to such interactions will lose out on all of the benefits that a two way relationship with the built environment offers. It will be a choice, though, even if it means illegally blocking yourself from the infrastructure ‘sensors’, or establishing interactive-architecture-free zones,  or escaping from urban areas entirely.</p>
<p>Really: If you do something in a public space it is recordable. </p>
<p>Already, Today. </p>
<p>Even if it is in the subconscious memory of a passerby, even if it is only recognizable by a Sherlockian expert, if it is perceivable and public then it is open to collection, analysis and scrutiny.  If forensics shows have taught me anything it is that we already leave a record of ourselves and our actions in the realm of the real. </p>
<p>It’s only a matter of time before we develop software and hardware capable of collecting this information, and once incorporated into our public architecture these (probably highly regulated) technologies will enable our buildings to protect us, serve us, guide us and nurture us. </p>
<p>Lets just hope these powerful technologies aren’t severely abused (they will be).</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I am not a person of strong conviction. I rarely pick one side because it is what I firmly believe, really, I see the merits in all sides of a rational argument. I’m merely here to converse, not to debate to the bitter death…</p>
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