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	<title>Comments on: Killing Hookers &#8211; GTA:IV</title>
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		<title>By: Londoneer</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-1391</link>
		<dc:creator>Londoneer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video game companies have denied to comment on negative effects of their games. Games do influence players and although studies exist proving this fact, games such as GTA are still out on the market and the companies are making big money out of this. &lt;br&gt;_______________________________________&lt;br&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;follow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.bunniesoflondon.co.uk/a-level-escorts.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Escorts London&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video game companies have denied to comment on negative effects of their games. Games do influence players and although studies exist proving this fact, games such as GTA are still out on the market and the companies are making big money out of this. <br />_______________________________________<br /><a rel="follow" href="http://www.bunniesoflondon.co.uk/a-level-escorts.htm">Escorts London</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go ahead and assume that you are a brilliant satirist.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Maly</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Maly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go ahead and assume that you are a brilliant satirist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m going to go ahead and assume that you are a brilliant satirist.</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop finding something to complain about. Who gives a crap if you can kill a hooker on a game or not. Its a freaking game. Why don&#039;t you worry about something else. I mean my god you have pictures of half naked women on billboards, tv shows about wives cheating on their husbands or just being sluts, people killing each other, and everything else. You take part in tv just like a video game. Its people like you who sit around just looking for something to complain about because they have nothing better to do. Go butt a stump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop finding something to complain about. Who gives a crap if you can kill a hooker on a game or not. Its a freaking game. Why don&#39;t you worry about something else. I mean my god you have pictures of half naked women on billboards, tv shows about wives cheating on their husbands or just being sluts, people killing each other, and everything else. You take part in tv just like a video game. Its people like you who sit around just looking for something to complain about because they have nothing better to do. Go butt a stump.</p>
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		<title>By: online dating</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>online dating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Studies actually show that playing such kind of games might have an emotional effect maybe leading to a social disorder.They also give the wrong perception of what&#039;s really involved in dating and relationships in the real world -were all  the players should be interacting with real people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Studies actually show that playing such kind of games might have an emotional effect maybe leading to a social disorder.They also give the wrong perception of what&#39;s really involved in dating and relationships in the real world -were all  the players should be interacting with real people!</p>
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		<title>By: Coombs</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Coombs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its as simple as this:
If you dont like the idea,
Then DONT play the game.

And as far as the game appealing to &quot;Most people&quot;
goes look at the sales figures and try to tell me that the GTA series doesnt appeal to &quot;Most people&quot;

It really doesnt matter what your doing,
there is always someone who will be offended by it.
All that needs to be done is for that person to say, &quot;I dont like this so I&#039;m not going to Use, Play or Watch this, Then shut the hell up about it.

Personally I dont like the context behind TV shows like Americas next top model, or Extreme makeover,  I find them offensive.  so i dont watch them. Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its as simple as this:<br />
If you dont like the idea,<br />
Then DONT play the game.</p>
<p>And as far as the game appealing to &#8220;Most people&#8221;<br />
goes look at the sales figures and try to tell me that the GTA series doesnt appeal to &#8220;Most people&#8221;</p>
<p>It really doesnt matter what your doing,<br />
there is always someone who will be offended by it.<br />
All that needs to be done is for that person to say, &#8220;I dont like this so I&#8217;m not going to Use, Play or Watch this, Then shut the hell up about it.</p>
<p>Personally I dont like the context behind TV shows like Americas next top model, or Extreme makeover,  I find them offensive.  so i dont watch them. Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: paloma</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>paloma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disadvantage that these types of video games have compared to other forms of art or entertainment is that they don&#039;t tend to have a moral content or a social comment.  They are just what they are and the over-the-top violence and sexual content isn&#039;t there to make a point...it is simply salacious.

I don&#039;t really play video games very much so I guess I fall into the category of people that Warren Spector describes here:

&quot;most people won’t take the time to look past the surface, the fiction, the context. They don’t see the fun and the freedom the game provides.&quot;

However, I don&#039;t really see why I should make the effort to look past the context if there&#039;s no particular reason for choosing that context.  If the gameplay is important, why choose such a contentious context to begin with?  The game developers haven&#039;t made the effort to contextualise the game in a way that I can enjoy it.  So isn&#039;t it fair enough for me to think &quot;You know what, those aren&#039;t my values and I find that particular piece of entertainment distasteful.&quot;  They based their choices perhaps partially on their own areas of interest or fascination but also, as you&#039;ve pointed out, on market demands.  They figured they could sell a game about breaking rules (including gratuitous killing and sex) to a lot of young straight men.

Fine.

If they want &#039;most people&#039; to appreciate the incredible game play, they should put it in a game that will interest them.  Or at least, not offend them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disadvantage that these types of video games have compared to other forms of art or entertainment is that they don&#8217;t tend to have a moral content or a social comment.  They are just what they are and the over-the-top violence and sexual content isn&#8217;t there to make a point&#8230;it is simply salacious.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really play video games very much so I guess I fall into the category of people that Warren Spector describes here:</p>
<p>&#8220;most people won’t take the time to look past the surface, the fiction, the context. They don’t see the fun and the freedom the game provides.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t really see why I should make the effort to look past the context if there&#8217;s no particular reason for choosing that context.  If the gameplay is important, why choose such a contentious context to begin with?  The game developers haven&#8217;t made the effort to contextualise the game in a way that I can enjoy it.  So isn&#8217;t it fair enough for me to think &#8220;You know what, those aren&#8217;t my values and I find that particular piece of entertainment distasteful.&#8221;  They based their choices perhaps partially on their own areas of interest or fascination but also, as you&#8217;ve pointed out, on market demands.  They figured they could sell a game about breaking rules (including gratuitous killing and sex) to a lot of young straight men.</p>
<p>Fine.</p>
<p>If they want &#8216;most people&#8217; to appreciate the incredible game play, they should put it in a game that will interest them.  Or at least, not offend them.</p>
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		<title>By: rbnz</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>rbnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and an example of just how much amazing detail is in this game ? fire a gun beside a barrel in the game, not at the barrel, but standing beside it. if you dont notice what happens when you do this, you&#039;re one of those people that miss the magic in games of this quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and an example of just how much amazing detail is in this game ? fire a gun beside a barrel in the game, not at the barrel, but standing beside it. if you dont notice what happens when you do this, you&#8217;re one of those people that miss the magic in games of this quality.</p>
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		<title>By: rbnz</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>rbnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know exactly what you mean, its appalling what people will declare war on with only a glance as justification. This game is superb, there have been none in any genre so meticulously created. Yes, hookers ( havent seen any yet ), labourers, metrosexuals, bums, bikers and police are all there to kill, you can steal any vehicle in the game if you can get close enough to the door, you can get a lap dance, buy a hot dog or see a show with a tragic magician...

But thats the thing, its an open ended game allowing the gamer to do whatever he or she pleases. Its beauty and its freedom go hand in hand, for surely if you started locking things out ( and there is always a little disappointment felt when you realise you can&#039;t get into the shop you wanted to buy stuff from ) and replacing the guns with flowers and the swearing with beeps, it would loose a lot of the gritty reality that makes it.

I think its fantastic as you can go on a rampage, live life like they do in the movies.. No-one gets hurt, no laws get broken and there is always the safety net of it being a game.

Dont hate the player, DONT hate the game, give it a chance to be what it is supposed to be, fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly what you mean, its appalling what people will declare war on with only a glance as justification. This game is superb, there have been none in any genre so meticulously created. Yes, hookers ( havent seen any yet ), labourers, metrosexuals, bums, bikers and police are all there to kill, you can steal any vehicle in the game if you can get close enough to the door, you can get a lap dance, buy a hot dog or see a show with a tragic magician&#8230;</p>
<p>But thats the thing, its an open ended game allowing the gamer to do whatever he or she pleases. Its beauty and its freedom go hand in hand, for surely if you started locking things out ( and there is always a little disappointment felt when you realise you can&#8217;t get into the shop you wanted to buy stuff from ) and replacing the guns with flowers and the swearing with beeps, it would loose a lot of the gritty reality that makes it.</p>
<p>I think its fantastic as you can go on a rampage, live life like they do in the movies.. No-one gets hurt, no laws get broken and there is always the safety net of it being a game.</p>
<p>Dont hate the player, DONT hate the game, give it a chance to be what it is supposed to be, fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://quietbabylon.com/2008/killing-hookers-gtaiv/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!</description>
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